刘慈欣《三体》获雨果奖 为亚洲首次获奖

2015-08-23 15:08:55 +08:00
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JackBlack2006
2015-08-23 22:37:57 +08:00
黑暗森林本来就是个外国人的理论,楼上有些人还认真以为是三体首创的?
Gandum
2015-08-23 22:48:24 +08:00
@sandideas 黑暗森林当然可以证伪,从逻辑上(费米悖论)还是天文观测上都可以。
但是我说一节电池,就是说这个和“箱中之脑”一样,不能“绝对证伪”。
黑暗森林,就和货币战争一样,典型的阴谋论思维。
@theoractice
@187j3x1 我不说没有研究过的问题。可以说,《三体》我看过很多遍,查过很多资料,周小平的文章只是这些资料的一部分。我在高中的时候可以说就是“三体脑残粉”,后来看书多了,认识转变。
acros
2015-08-23 22:53:37 +08:00
三体惹人烦倒不是作品本身的问题····是跟风党太招黑了。
与此类似的还有匹诺曹、货币战争、国富论等等。小白看了大有一通百通的气势,拉嘲讽是难免的。
chengzhoukun
2015-08-23 23:07:57 +08:00
@Gandum 对三体没什么感觉,不过周带鱼自带搅屎棍特征。
据知乎扒皮:带鱼是出版《那年那兔那些事》的公司的高管,呵呵,挺有意思的,
和明朝东厂太监挺像的
sandideas
2015-08-23 23:46:27 +08:00
@Gandum 你前面说无法证伪。。现在又说可以证伪。。
何谓绝对证伪?
就因为一个理论无法绝对证伪这个理论就是令人生厌的?其实光速不变也可以认为是一个无法证伪的事了。说不定火星上光速就可以变?说不定地球下面光速可以变?说不定你拉屎的时候光速就变了?说不定你就是一节电池呢? 非得这么推断,大部分理论都是令人生厌的。
Gandum
2015-08-23 23:54:39 +08:00
@sandideas 区别很简单:重视实证。包括黑暗森林在内的阴谋论多数皆为不重视实证单凭意淫产生
Ouyangan
2015-08-24 01:09:14 +08:00
看了两部,第三部没看,没感觉到多惊艳 , 我是不是个奇葩呢...........
mazyi
2015-08-24 09:40:53 +08:00
@JackBlack2006 请你找出外国人的作品提出了黑暗森林法则的。明明是大刘自己想出来的,依赖费米悖论。呵呵哦。
mazyi
2015-08-24 09:43:38 +08:00
@Gandum 想象力就是意淫啊,你说那么多作品的时间旅行是重视事实还是意淫呢?逻辑混乱,言不达意。
你不喜欢可以啊,你贴那么多标签是什么意思。引战还是自取其辱?
Gandum
2015-08-24 10:52:29 +08:00
@mazyi 我觉得已经说的很清楚了,请重新阅读我的发言
iamleung
2015-08-24 11:22:51 +08:00
费米悖论是一个很有意思的开放式问题,《三体》里面提出来的黑暗森林法则,是一种比较新颖的解释。作者的想象力值得喝彩。
lufyluo
2015-08-24 14:06:19 +08:00
觉得这书很高端,因为脱离传统狗血,里面各种新颖观念,但是还是不喜欢。
JackBlack2006
2015-08-24 14:42:58 +08:00
@mazyi NGA 老话:没干货你就等着被打脸吧

The Law for the Wolves

"NOW this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky,
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.

As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back;
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
Wash daily from nose tip to tail tip; drink deeply, but never too deep;
And remember the night is for hunting and forget not the day is for sleep.

The jackal may follow the tiger, but, cub, when thy whiskers are grown,
Remember the wolf is a hunter — go forth and get food of thy own.
Keep peace with the lords of the jungle, the tiger, the panther, the bear;
And trouble not Hathi the Silent, and mock not the boar in his lair.

When pack meets with pack in the jungle, and neither will go from the trail,
Lie down till the leaders have spoken; it may be fair words shall prevail.

When ye fight with a wolf of the pack ye must fight him alone and afar,
Lest others take part in the quarrel and the pack is diminished by war.

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The lair of the wolf is his refuge, and where he has made him his home,
Not even the head wolf may enter, not even the council may come.

The lair of the wolf is his refuge, but where he has digged it too plain,
The council shall send him a message, and so he shall change it again.

If ye kill before midnight be silent and wake not the woods with your bay,
Lest ye frighten the deer from the crop and thy brothers go empty away.

Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates, and your cubs as they need and ye can;
But kill not for pleasure of killing, and seven times never kill man.

If ye plunder his kill from a weaker, devour not all in thy pride,
Pack-right is the right of the meanest; so leave him the head and the hide.

The kill of the pack is the meat of the pack. Ye must eat where it lies;
And no one may carry away of that meat to his lair, or he dies.

The kill of the wolf is the meat of the wolf. He may do what he will,
But, till he is given permission, the pack may not eat of that kill.

Lair right is the right of the mother. From all of her years she may claim
One haunch of each kill for her litter, and none may deny her the same.

Cub right is the right of the yearling. From all of his pack he may claim
Full gorge when the killer has eaten; and none may refuse him the same.

Cave right is the right of the father, to hunt by himself for his own;
He is freed from all calls to the pack. He is judged by the council alone.

Because of his age and his cunning, because of his gripe and his paw,
In all that the law leaveth open the word of the head wolf is law.

Now these are the laws of the jungle, and many and mighty are they;
But the head and the hoof of the law and the haunch and the hump is — Obey!"

— Rudyard Kipling (1865 – 1936 )
mazyi
2015-08-25 10:59:28 +08:00
@JackBlack2006 这个似乎是一首诗歌,并且这段话所关注的更多的是个体的生物,只有不超过五句和竞争相关,并且提及的竞争还是针锋相对,力量相当的对抗,必定有一方会死掉,和黑暗森林的核心思想“被发现,就意味着毁灭”来讲差距还是有点大。
我随后去翻了一下 Rudyard Kipling 的 wiki ,他不是一个科幻作家,对科幻小说的影响则是在写作的手法方面,对科幻小说的立意却没有影响。
要说这段话是大刘提出的黑暗森林的借鉴或者抄袭,我认为是不成立的。
仔细阅读这段话之后就可以体会到这里的黑暗,和大刘在宇宙社会学中所提出的黑暗,完全不是一个层次的,这里的狼的法则强调是的强者生存,而黑暗森林不强调相对的强弱(因为技术爆炸很容易改变),而是强调发展和生存。
我猜你并没有读完这段话咯,看个标题就很开心了。
同时 NGA 那个地方战斗力太强,我认输。

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