如何优雅的远离 bat

2018-05-03 10:54:36 +08:00
 oktoship

鉴于对个人数据的保护,最近在考虑逐步减少 BAT 家应用,代替方案如下: 1.购物方面基本使用 JD 和 amazon. 2.IM 工具,好友间 Telegram,同事间用内部 IM。 3.搜索用 Google 4.支付方面比较难搞,apple pay 可以支持一部分需求,但是还是需要微信来应付一些情景。 大数据时代,不知道大家有没有好的建议。

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kumitom
2018-05-03 13:50:51 +08:00
@chanssl 笑:)
dinghow
2018-05-03 13:59:33 +08:00
因垂死听
zorui
2018-05-03 14:01:56 +08:00
归园田居
honeycomb
2018-05-03 14:02:32 +08:00
@Shura
无内置腾讯 soter 的手机还是买的到的,比如 iPhone

@wclebb
小狼狈说不定是大优雅

@dko
@whypool
说不定楼主真的做到了先去查一下股权结构

@tkMerkava
可以用不联网的 app,如果担心运营商,那么还可以不用手机。楼主可以根据他自身的能力和需求选择最合适的妥协。

@vastwelkin
摩门教确实也是可行的办法
qwjhb
2018-05-03 14:08:16 +08:00
今有人日攘其邻之鸡
安全不绝对就是绝对不安全
千万不能渐进式的断绝 给了他们收集数据的机会 当断则断
fiht
2018-05-03 14:13:50 +08:00
还是移民去欧洲受法律保护比较优雅。国人无隐私
marjar7
2018-05-03 14:14:22 +08:00
你到底藏了什么秘密
nullcoder
2018-05-03 14:14:26 +08:00
#36 的身份隔离我觉得是一种办法,还可以加上身份混淆和时间隔离。
身份混淆就是随机的和家人交换使用淘宝,支付宝之类。
时间隔离,就是一段时间用支付宝支付,不用微信支付,然后隔断时间反过来。
三种方法混合使用,比起完全不用,甚至用到了他们投资的公司,可能要优雅一点。
jasonyang9
2018-05-03 14:16:17 +08:00
>I never tell stores who I am. I never let them know. I pay cash and only cash for that reason. I don ’ t care whether it ’ s a local store or Amazon — no one has a right to keep track of what I buy. The local store, I might do business with, I wouldn ’ t give it any way to know my identity. I would pay cash. With Amazon, I can ’ t pay cash, so I don ’ t buy from there.

>And secondary features, conveniences and so on, should not be allowed to justify making the primary goal require collection of data. Let ’ s say you want to ride in a car and pay for the ride. That doesn ’ t fundamentally require knowing who you are. So services which do that must be required by law to give you the option of paying cash, or using some other anonymous-payment system, without being identified. They should also have ways you can call for a ride without identifying yourself, without having to use a cell phone. Companies that won ’ t go along with this — well, they ’ re welcome to go out of business. Good riddance.

>We need a law. Fuck them — there ’ s no reason we should let them exist if the price is knowing everything about us. Let them disappear. They ’ re not important — our human rights are important. No company is so important that its existence justifies setting up a police state. And a police state is what we ’ re heading toward.
>
>Most non-free software has malicious functionalities. And they include spying on people, restricting people — that ’ s called digital restrictions management, back doors, censorship. Empirically, basically, if a program is not free software, it probably has one of these malicious functionalities. So imagine a driverless car, controlled of course by software, and it will probably be proprietary software, meaning not-free software, not controlled by the users but rather by the company that makes the car, or some other company.
>
>Well imagine if that has a back door, which enables somebody to send a command saying, “ Ignore what the passenger said, and go there.” Imagine what that would do. You can be quite sure that China will use that functionality to drive people toward the places they ’ re going to be disappeared or punished. But can you be sure that the U.S. won ’ t?

http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/richard-stallman-rms-on-privacy-data-and-free-software.html
honeycomb
2018-05-03 14:16:17 +08:00
------支付方面比较难搞,apple pay 可以支持一部分需求,但是还是需要微信来应付一些情景。

既然用 apple pay,那么直接用银联的支付手段(云闪付(apple pay),银联各种网关支付)也是可行的,因为这些情况下,银联、收单行、发卡行至少会知道你的卡号,在哪里消费了多少的信息。
这部分要避免被收集信息可能仅有现金及马仔两个办法。

接下来,楼主可以考虑具体列出那些“需要微信”(支付)的每个场景,考虑它们各有哪些 alternative,哪些是可行的:

例:
某些地方,如自动售货机不接受现金,仅接受 at 的支付方案:避免使用它们,有精力向银监方面打投诉电话
mycheryhr
2018-05-03 14:16:38 +08:00
看到京东我笑了,确定你不是京东的拖儿
Voichesapete
2018-05-03 14:18:25 +08:00
kidult
2018-05-03 14:21:08 +08:00
老铁,无人荒岛考虑一下吗?贷款8折优惠
maichael
2018-05-03 14:22:29 +08:00
肉身翻墙。
uptime
2018-05-03 14:23:09 +08:00
看到 jd 就笑死了,明显就是对人不对事。请问阿里有的东西,京东没有做?京东 App 打开快?京东没有做支付?京东不大数据?

我就怕最搞笑的是,然后 LZ 是要求快递绝对送到家门口的,不接受放快递柜。
DRcoding
2018-05-03 14:34:01 +08:00
哈哈哈哈哈,这种无聊心态的人真多,打扰了。
lebronymz
2018-05-03 14:35:44 +08:00
只能肉翻,在国内要做到那种程度代价太大。
WinMain
2018-05-03 14:37:07 +08:00
希望少看到这种知乎体文章。
yoke123
2018-05-03 14:42:11 +08:00
guoluwei
2018-05-03 14:46:36 +08:00
认识的人都不用 Telegram(大部分没有 fq 需求),就我一个人用,我是不是应该换一批人认识一下.
JD 和 A 又有什么区别?

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