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CloudFlare 昨天的博客讲述了兲朝互联网的奇葩性,以及和 BIDU 搅基的故事

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  •   est · Sep 15, 2015 · 6304 views
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    23 replies    2015-09-16 17:41:42 +08:00
    seki
        1
    seki  
       Sep 15, 2015
    粗略看了一下, cf cdn 可以摆脱被墙的厄运,百度云加速也算可以用用?
    bidu
        2
    bidu  
       Sep 15, 2015 via Android
    @est 咦叫我?
    jimages
        3
    jimages  
       Sep 15, 2015 via iPhone
    我很疑惑?国外网站怎么办 icp 备案?幕布怎么搞?
    god
        4
    god  
       Sep 15, 2015 via iPad
    流氓们还是走到一起了
    herozzm
        5
    herozzm  
       Sep 15, 2015
    @jimages 快递
    Tvan
        6
    Tvan  
       Sep 15, 2015
    @jimages
    Baidu's regulatory expertise also helped to solve what previously seemed like an insurmountable problem. They developed a process whereby ICP license applications could be automatically submitted on behalf of CloudFlare customers. This removes the burden of individual customers having to navigate local licensing requirements.
    文章提到的解决办法...
    singer
        7
    singer  
    PRO
       Sep 15, 2015
    百度不是照样不支持 SSL 么
    lightforce
        8
    lightforce  
       Sep 15, 2015
    现在国内的百度联盟支持 ssl 吗?我看国内的那种野路子诱惑素材联盟基本都不支持 ssl
    lhbc
        9
    lhbc  
       Sep 15, 2015
    百度技术太烂了
    搞了这么久,只有首页支持 https ,其他一堆产品不支持
    对 https 网站的收录也惨不忍睹

    看阿里,淘宝天猫说全站纯 https 就上了
    raincious
        10
    raincious  
       Sep 15, 2015
    简而言之, CloudFlare 想要进入中国。

    然后,他们不想搞审查( we fundamentally believe that we should not act as an Internet censor )

    但是,审查又是肯定要有的( we are careful to do so in a manner that preserves a free and open Internet, Although we may not be able to announce certain content from within China )

    于是,他们就找上了百度,把臭事丢给他们了。估计就是这样,啊哈哈哈。

    不过,如果这样能让不用备案也没啥政治内容的网站能够在国内更快被访问还是不错的。不过这些流量在百度内部怎么走的又是个神奇的小秘密了。
    huobazi
        11
    huobazi  
       Sep 15, 2015
    如果您是 CloudFlare 的客户,并且希望您的域名使用 CloudFlare 的中国服务,您需要拥有 ICP 备案。网站备案是中国工信部要求所有在中国大陆使用主机或 CDN 服务的许可证书。更多详情请访问知识库。

    目前我们的中国系统暂不支持 HTTPS ,现只支持 HTTP 。 SSL/TLS 支持将在未来几个月推出。如果您有兴趣参与 CloudFlare 的中国 beta 版服务,或希望了解更多详情,请联系我们的客服团队。

    在近期, CloudFlare 客户将可以通过他们 CloudFlare 账户的主控面板页面激活中国网络服务,不需任何额外的配置即可改善在中国网络的性能。
    huobazi
        12
    huobazi  
       Sep 15, 2015
    There are many benefits to both services in CloudFlare ’ s partnership with Baidu.

    You should sign up for CloudFlare if:

    A meaningful portion of your audience is outside of mainland China.
    You would like to use a service (including support ) offered in English.
    You do not have an ICP license.
    You require HTTPS.


    You should choose the Yunjiasu service if:

    Your user base is located primarily in mainland China.
    You prefer a service (including support ) offered in the Chinese language.
    You have an ICP license.
    Your domain is HTTP-only.
    moliliang
        13
    moliliang  
       Sep 15, 2015
    主要是要修改 dns ,不能 cname ,否则就付费买服务了。可惜~
    inter
        14
    inter  
       Sep 15, 2015
    @raincious 这是什么阅读能力啊,明明他说得是不想做审查员
    nealfeng
        15
    nealfeng  
       Sep 15, 2015
    """
    The connectivity between different ISPs in different provinces can become so fraught that it is sometimes more efficient to route traffic outside the country, across a third party network, and then back in.
    """

    中国不同省份、不同 isp 之间的连接可能会如此不稳定,以致有时把流量发到国外,通过第三方再发回国内也许效果更好...
    Livid
        16
    Livid  
    MOD
    PRO
       Sep 15, 2015
    所以, CloudFlare 的做法,其实和任何其他国外 CDN ( Akamai , EdgeCast , CDNetworks )没有区别, China 只是他们面向企业的方案里的一个 feature 。而愿意付超过 $200 的用户在整个 CloudFlare 用户群里的比例,能到 1% 么?
    holinhot
        17
    holinhot  
       Sep 15, 2015
    @moliliang 200 usd 元的可以做 cname
    wdlth
        18
    wdlth  
       Sep 15, 2015
    能把网站做进天朝的企业还考虑 CF ?
    moliliang
        19
    moliliang  
       Sep 16, 2015
    @holinhot 太贵了把
    holinhot
        20
    holinhot  
       Sep 16, 2015
    @moliliang 对于企业来说 不算贵 比那种按流量计费的划算太多
    Khlieb
        21
    Khlieb  
       Sep 16, 2015 via Android
    @god @raincious @huobazi
    估计是收到好处费了
    Khlieb
        22
    Khlieb  
       Sep 16, 2015 via Android
    @nealfeng 各地运营商基本都是国企,官僚风气还是挺重的,尤其是在服务上
    samael
        23
    samael  
       Sep 16, 2015
    哦? 我家那也建了个数据中心
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