美国程序员的 side project 归公司所有，那么中国呢？

[junhaoim]

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2016/12/09/developers-side-projects/

The only difference is in the stance of management as to how hard they want to enforce their rights under these contracts. This can vary from:

• We love side projects. Have fun!
• We don’t really like side projects. You should be thinking about things for us.
• We love side projects. We love them so much we want to own them and sell them!
• We are kinda indifferent. If you piss us off, we will look for ways to make you miserable. If you leave and start a competitive company or even a half-competitive company, we will use this contract to bring you to tears. BUT, if you don’t piss us off, and serve us loyally, we’ll look the other way when your iPhone app starts making $40,000 a month.

该文说在美国默认所有的业余项目都属于公司所有。那么在中国情况是不是也一样？

[lishunan246]

It sounds weird, but it is the default way copyright works. In fact, if you hire a photographer to take pictures for your wedding, you own the copies of the pictures that you get, but the photographer still owns the copyright and has the legal monopoly on making more copies of those pictures. Surprise! Same applies to code.
默认不是个人所有吗？

[junhaoim]

@lishunan246 下一句就说的是
Every software company is going to want to own the copyright to the code that its employees write for them, so no software company can accept the “ default ” way the law works.

[seki]

side project 公司又没付钱，肯定是属于个人的。使用公司资源来做的另说

[sarices]

使用公司资源是归公司的，具体可以看《硅谷》有一集有说明

[SharkIng]

Every software company is going to want to own the copyright to the code that its employees [write for them]

如果我接个私活 Write for another company 的话，公司也要么？

首先这样要求的只是个别公司，不是默认的
第二多半保密条款和防竞争条款里面说的是你不能干和公司业务有关的东西。当然为了避免无解自己的 Side Project 也最好不要和这个有关。如果你们公司是做软件的，你写了个医疗行业的网站，他们也要么？没见过美国人这么无理的

[junhaoim]

@seki 即使是自己的资源，如果公司真的想告你的话也是可以的。
> On your own time. Easy to determine, I imagine.
> With your own equipment. Trivial to determine.
> Not related to your employer ’ s line of work. Um, wait.
然后就到了最上面引文里说的四种情况，主要是看公司想不想告你。

[junhaoim]

@SharkIng 然而文章里说，在美国这就是默认的，如果某个公司没有默认这样说，你甚至可以认为这个公司不专业。该文作者是 StackOverflow 的 CEO 。

[junhaoim]

@SharkIng 其实这篇文章的主要目的应该是提醒从业者注意选择自己的雇主，一般来说公司不会主动告你，但是如果发生了不愉快，公司有办法弄得你很痛苦。

[cheetah]

可以看看自己和公司签的合同

[junhaoim]

另外没人回答一下国内的情况是怎样的？

[dahvlh]

= =,因为真的没法回答啊

大部分公司都是没提到这块内容,大家的统一共识是不使用公司资源 /非工资产品类型是属于个人的(想当然的认为)

现实情况是很多人都在公司写自己的小程序...

[seki]

@junhaoim 你看他举的那个游戏的例子，公司是给员工付钱才能买到的啊。无偿的不就是抢了

[junhaoim]

@seki
> “ I don ’ t just want to buy your 9:00-5:00 inventions. I want them all, and I ’ m going to pay you a nice salary to get them all.”
> so now you want to sign something that says that all her inventions belong to the company for as long as she is employed by the company.
> This is where we are by default. This is the standard employment contract for developers, inventors, and researchers.

[junhaoim]

@dahvlh 所以国内还是相对而言比较自由的？

[cheetah]

我看过前公司的合同，其中有说在公司就职期间产生的知识产权归公司所有

[21grams]

都没看过《硅谷》吗？

[Perry]

之前在公司的 Hack Day 上做的 Side Project 就是属于公司的。

[chocotan]

前一阵子不是这里也有讨论的，吓得我连下班后看书敲书里的示例都不敢了，因为全是属于公司的

[chocotan]

这样说来 是不是 github 上面所有的个人项目，只要不是在离职的状态写的，都属于公司。。

[levn]

需要合同里写明的，那还能叫默认吗？

[robinlovemaggie]

@chocotan 感觉你过于担心了，除非你有开复老师的影响力……